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		<title>By: Ira Wolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ira Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tracey and Richard - thank you for your comments. I share your perspective in several areas.  I agree that education should not guarantee a high salary nor does sitting in a classroom for 4, 6, or 8 years or more qualify someone for a high paying job.  I also agree that passion and determination differentiate those people who prosper vs those who live a life of mediocrity.  
But I disagree that determination, hard work, and hustle is sufficient for success.  A great attitude without skills only gets you so far.  Many of the unemployed Boomers enjoyed an entitled life but never improved their skills.  And now that their companies are being bailed out or have gone out of business, they are without a job.  Their response?  &quot;I&#039;m too old to learn new skills.&quot;  Their plan?  Apply for disability and live off the government for the rest of their lives.  These people aren&#039;t Gen Y&#039;s but Baby Boomers! 

Why should a Gen Y be obligated to support someone who has the ability to be gainfully employed if they would learn a new skill. Too often a Gen Y can&#039;t get a job because the Baby Boomers won&#039;t move out of the workforce because they didn&#039;t save enough and/or were jilted by the stock market?  With few jobs being created, Gen Y (along with many others) don&#039;t have the same opportunity Boomers did coming out of school. (Gen X however has lived through up and down markets.)  

A lot of the jobs today are currently being held by people who don&#039;t have the skills to do the job or do it more productively and effectively. Studies show that as much as 50% of our workforce is functionally illiterate. A significant number of job applicants can&#039;t even fill out a job application yet were just a few months ago holding down $60,000+ per year jobs. A lot of employed Boomers and Gen X are holding onto jobs, but are neither motivated nor skilled enough to do them.   They do the minimum to hold onto a job.  Many young people have the skills, ambition, and smarts but aren&#039;t being given the opportunity. Why should anyone have to sit on the sidelines if they are more qualified? 

I agree that whining doesn&#039;t help but working 30 years in a job without ever enhancing your skills shouldn&#039;t earn a lifetime of government support either. Since the Baby Boomers didn&#039;t do such a hot job of ensuring the pension funds were liquid, why should Gen Y be expected to bail them out?
 
I&#039;m writing this from the perspective of an older Boomer holding 3 post-graduate degrees, the 3rd one earned just last year. I&#039;m not a Gen Y looking for a job, but a gray-haired, balding Baby Boomer trying to stay at the forefront.  

While I agree that any number of degrees should not entitle one to a high-paying career, I respectfully disagree that hard work alone is enough. There are certainly many young people entering the workforce with a whiny attitude but I can easily pair each one of them with a Boomer with an equally negative attitude.

The comments to my original post thus far seem to confirm resentment between generations. I propose that each generations is responsible for passing the buck onto other generations and that we each need to take personal responsibility for our actions and place in life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracey and Richard &#8211; thank you for your comments. I share your perspective in several areas.  I agree that education should not guarantee a high salary nor does sitting in a classroom for 4, 6, or 8 years or more qualify someone for a high paying job.  I also agree that passion and determination differentiate those people who prosper vs those who live a life of mediocrity.<br />
But I disagree that determination, hard work, and hustle is sufficient for success.  A great attitude without skills only gets you so far.  Many of the unemployed Boomers enjoyed an entitled life but never improved their skills.  And now that their companies are being bailed out or have gone out of business, they are without a job.  Their response?  &#8220;I&#8217;m too old to learn new skills.&#8221;  Their plan?  Apply for disability and live off the government for the rest of their lives.  These people aren&#8217;t Gen Y&#8217;s but Baby Boomers! </p>
<p>Why should a Gen Y be obligated to support someone who has the ability to be gainfully employed if they would learn a new skill. Too often a Gen Y can&#8217;t get a job because the Baby Boomers won&#8217;t move out of the workforce because they didn&#8217;t save enough and/or were jilted by the stock market?  With few jobs being created, Gen Y (along with many others) don&#8217;t have the same opportunity Boomers did coming out of school. (Gen X however has lived through up and down markets.)  </p>
<p>A lot of the jobs today are currently being held by people who don&#8217;t have the skills to do the job or do it more productively and effectively. Studies show that as much as 50% of our workforce is functionally illiterate. A significant number of job applicants can&#8217;t even fill out a job application yet were just a few months ago holding down $60,000+ per year jobs. A lot of employed Boomers and Gen X are holding onto jobs, but are neither motivated nor skilled enough to do them.   They do the minimum to hold onto a job.  Many young people have the skills, ambition, and smarts but aren&#8217;t being given the opportunity. Why should anyone have to sit on the sidelines if they are more qualified? </p>
<p>I agree that whining doesn&#8217;t help but working 30 years in a job without ever enhancing your skills shouldn&#8217;t earn a lifetime of government support either. Since the Baby Boomers didn&#8217;t do such a hot job of ensuring the pension funds were liquid, why should Gen Y be expected to bail them out?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m writing this from the perspective of an older Boomer holding 3 post-graduate degrees, the 3rd one earned just last year. I&#8217;m not a Gen Y looking for a job, but a gray-haired, balding Baby Boomer trying to stay at the forefront.  </p>
<p>While I agree that any number of degrees should not entitle one to a high-paying career, I respectfully disagree that hard work alone is enough. There are certainly many young people entering the workforce with a whiny attitude but I can easily pair each one of them with a Boomer with an equally negative attitude.</p>
<p>The comments to my original post thus far seem to confirm resentment between generations. I propose that each generations is responsible for passing the buck onto other generations and that we each need to take personal responsibility for our actions and place in life.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracey Amaya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracey Amaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although, I empathize with Mr. Scott - I must reiterate Richard Kennedy&#039;s points - only with less tack.
Quit whining about how disillusioned you are or how you think you&#039;ve been lied to and get to work!
What good is that over price college education if you didn&#039;t learn how to problem solve for your own life?  Figure it out! 
The backbone of this country&#039;s econmic life is the small to mid-size businesses.  Look around you - find a need and figure out how 
to fill it. Take a risk, be brave and don&#039;t be afraid of failure.  
So, your life looks a little different than what you thought it might be.  Change your preconceived idea of what you think your life &quot;should&quot; be and make it what you want it to be.  
&quot;Hard work&quot; is not over rated!  There are still those of us without the degrees that out produce, out earn and out perform most.  And, it&#039;s not because of above average I.Q., or anything but, self direction and drive.
Take a chance and take charge of your own life!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although, I empathize with Mr. Scott &#8211; I must reiterate Richard Kennedy&#8217;s points &#8211; only with less tack.<br />
Quit whining about how disillusioned you are or how you think you&#8217;ve been lied to and get to work!<br />
What good is that over price college education if you didn&#8217;t learn how to problem solve for your own life?  Figure it out!<br />
The backbone of this country&#8217;s econmic life is the small to mid-size businesses.  Look around you &#8211; find a need and figure out how<br />
to fill it. Take a risk, be brave and don&#8217;t be afraid of failure.<br />
So, your life looks a little different than what you thought it might be.  Change your preconceived idea of what you think your life &#8220;should&#8221; be and make it what you want it to be.<br />
&#8220;Hard work&#8221; is not over rated!  There are still those of us without the degrees that out produce, out earn and out perform most.  And, it&#8217;s not because of above average I.Q., or anything but, self direction and drive.<br />
Take a chance and take charge of your own life!</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne Caubet</title>
		<link>http://geeksgeezersgooglization.com/are-generational-differences-turning-from-a-gap-into-a-chasm/comment-page-1/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzanne Caubet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are all in this together, if Boomers don&#039;t continue to work, the subsequent generations will end up supporting them. The wealth that Boomers generate and compile will someday belong to the next generations. Many of us are still working because we are supporting younger folks and older folks.

But this does open up an important topic about higher education and the value versus the cost. I don&#039;t have time right now to dig up the citation but the price of an education has increased more than 100 times over the last 50-60 years and it has certainly not yeilded that much gain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are all in this together, if Boomers don&#8217;t continue to work, the subsequent generations will end up supporting them. The wealth that Boomers generate and compile will someday belong to the next generations. Many of us are still working because we are supporting younger folks and older folks.</p>
<p>But this does open up an important topic about higher education and the value versus the cost. I don&#8217;t have time right now to dig up the citation but the price of an education has increased more than 100 times over the last 50-60 years and it has certainly not yeilded that much gain.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard J. Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://geeksgeezersgooglization.com/are-generational-differences-turning-from-a-gap-into-a-chasm/comment-page-1/#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard J. Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Throughout history the key determinants of success in any one era have regularly change. A thousand years ago, how far you got depended almost exclusively on who your daddy was (still doesn&#039;t hurt). Next up, the game changer was how much land you controlled.

    It has only been in the last one hundred  years that the level of education that one attains has largely decided how far one can go. Most of the typical office jobs that people go into today do not require a four year degree to perform. Our grandparents did them just fine with only a high school education. 

 When the demand for more of something occurs, in this era that something being  formal education, the quality of that thing that is in demand generally goes down. (Getting a master&#039;s degree online is an example.) 

   The era of more formal education meaning more income may well be now ending. This process has actually been underway for awhile: the recession of 1981 - 1982 was the first one during which newspaper editors enjoyed publishing stories of people with PhDs driving cabs. 

   Reality is that, excluding the element of luck, the main differentiators between material success and failure are what they should be: hard work, hustle, interpersonal skills, vision and, the single most important one of all, force of will. Nothing can beat sheer determination. My observation on this point is not an original one. 

   Boomer, Gen X or Gen Y, it makes no difference - just because someone has sat on their butt in a classroom for four or six more years than someone else, why should that alone guarantee them a prosperous future? 

Richard J. Kennedy  (for the record I have a BAS and an MBA)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Throughout history the key determinants of success in any one era have regularly change. A thousand years ago, how far you got depended almost exclusively on who your daddy was (still doesn&#8217;t hurt). Next up, the game changer was how much land you controlled.</p>
<p>    It has only been in the last one hundred  years that the level of education that one attains has largely decided how far one can go. Most of the typical office jobs that people go into today do not require a four year degree to perform. Our grandparents did them just fine with only a high school education. </p>
<p> When the demand for more of something occurs, in this era that something being  formal education, the quality of that thing that is in demand generally goes down. (Getting a master&#8217;s degree online is an example.) </p>
<p>   The era of more formal education meaning more income may well be now ending. This process has actually been underway for awhile: the recession of 1981 &#8211; 1982 was the first one during which newspaper editors enjoyed publishing stories of people with PhDs driving cabs. </p>
<p>   Reality is that, excluding the element of luck, the main differentiators between material success and failure are what they should be: hard work, hustle, interpersonal skills, vision and, the single most important one of all, force of will. Nothing can beat sheer determination. My observation on this point is not an original one. </p>
<p>   Boomer, Gen X or Gen Y, it makes no difference &#8211; just because someone has sat on their butt in a classroom for four or six more years than someone else, why should that alone guarantee them a prosperous future? </p>
<p>Richard J. Kennedy  (for the record I have a BAS and an MBA)</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I concur somewhat with Sam Scott about the general state of things (the bad mortgages, the outlook for social security and declines in the platform of benefits being provided by employers); however, I hope that his backhanded swipe at the careers chosen by those who are skilled plumbers and mechanics was just an unfortunate comment.  The truly valuable skill sets are those that we all need.  This clearly includes my favorite plumber and the mechanic that keeps my car running.  I would like to remind Mr. Scott that there isn&#039;t a product (including our beloved laptops) that didn&#039;t move at one time or another on a truck - so the truck drivers of the world get a big clap on the back from me.  Mr. Scott is right about one thing, not everyone should go to college, we need options in education that would provide preparation (or certification) in skill sets that are utilized now such as plumbers, mechanics, CNAs, etc.  If the current education system and propaganda about the need to get a college education doesn&#039;t shift with the times, we will have even more college educated individuals out there fighting for jobs that Mr. Scott pointed out don&#039;t even require a degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I concur somewhat with Sam Scott about the general state of things (the bad mortgages, the outlook for social security and declines in the platform of benefits being provided by employers); however, I hope that his backhanded swipe at the careers chosen by those who are skilled plumbers and mechanics was just an unfortunate comment.  The truly valuable skill sets are those that we all need.  This clearly includes my favorite plumber and the mechanic that keeps my car running.  I would like to remind Mr. Scott that there isn&#8217;t a product (including our beloved laptops) that didn&#8217;t move at one time or another on a truck &#8211; so the truck drivers of the world get a big clap on the back from me.  Mr. Scott is right about one thing, not everyone should go to college, we need options in education that would provide preparation (or certification) in skill sets that are utilized now such as plumbers, mechanics, CNAs, etc.  If the current education system and propaganda about the need to get a college education doesn&#8217;t shift with the times, we will have even more college educated individuals out there fighting for jobs that Mr. Scott pointed out don&#8217;t even require a degree.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Navarro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Navarro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On one hand, I&#039;m very sympathetic to what Scott says, as a 1973er myself.  Because of work I did with the Department of Labor, I have discovered that many people CAN forgo a 4 year degree.  This is not to say post-secondary education isn&#039;t needed but pushing people into debt for a four year degree is NOT the only option.  

Unfortunately, we&#039;ve placed so much emphasis on it that we have inadvertently devalued a bachelor&#039;s degree in the process.  I see dramatic evidence of this in job postings for administrative assistant positions that require bachelor&#039;s degree.  If I were to recommend anything to the Gen Yers, it would be go to a community college, pick up some practical skills for a fraction of the cost and worry about a bachelor&#039;s degree later.

With respect to the boomers, what he/we are experiencing is not indefinite.  There is an unavoidable demographic cliff coming and there is going to be a massive shortage of talent.  For all the resources boomers have sucked up during their &#039;tenure,&#039; they haven&#039;t managed to obtain immortality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On one hand, I&#8217;m very sympathetic to what Scott says, as a 1973er myself.  Because of work I did with the Department of Labor, I have discovered that many people CAN forgo a 4 year degree.  This is not to say post-secondary education isn&#8217;t needed but pushing people into debt for a four year degree is NOT the only option.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, we&#8217;ve placed so much emphasis on it that we have inadvertently devalued a bachelor&#8217;s degree in the process.  I see dramatic evidence of this in job postings for administrative assistant positions that require bachelor&#8217;s degree.  If I were to recommend anything to the Gen Yers, it would be go to a community college, pick up some practical skills for a fraction of the cost and worry about a bachelor&#8217;s degree later.</p>
<p>With respect to the boomers, what he/we are experiencing is not indefinite.  There is an unavoidable demographic cliff coming and there is going to be a massive shortage of talent.  For all the resources boomers have sucked up during their &#8216;tenure,&#8217; they haven&#8217;t managed to obtain immortality.</p>
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		<title>By: Robyn MacKillop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robyn MacKillop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I concur with Sam Scott. I am a Gen Xer, just turned 41. I have been held back in promotions because 65 year old principals won&#039;t retire and don&#039;t know how to run 21st century schools. So not only am I getting the screws, but the youngest Gen Yer&#039;s are getting screwed by not receiving the education they now need to take over this world in 20+ years. It&#039;s a little backwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I concur with Sam Scott. I am a Gen Xer, just turned 41. I have been held back in promotions because 65 year old principals won&#8217;t retire and don&#8217;t know how to run 21st century schools. So not only am I getting the screws, but the youngest Gen Yer&#8217;s are getting screwed by not receiving the education they now need to take over this world in 20+ years. It&#8217;s a little backwards.</p>
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		<title>By: Ira Wolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ira Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, &quot;Love Story&quot; was certainly a baby boom for Jennifers.  My Jennifer, one of the &quot;ton,&quot; was born in 1973!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, &#8220;Love Story&#8221; was certainly a baby boom for Jennifers.  My Jennifer, one of the &#8220;ton,&#8221; was born in 1973!</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree. I&#039;m a Jennifer from 1971 (there are a ton of us....) and notice that many Boomers are not retiring (probably because of the economy) which means that it&#039;s extremely difficult to find good leadership positions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree. I&#8217;m a Jennifer from 1971 (there are a ton of us&#8230;.) and notice that many Boomers are not retiring (probably because of the economy) which means that it&#8217;s extremely difficult to find good leadership positions.</p>
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		<title>By: Ira Wolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ira Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lea,  I agree but just to keep the record straight....I&#039;m a Boomer, too.  I just empathize a great deal with Gen Y. I just don&#039;t believe we were very good stewards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lea,  I agree but just to keep the record straight&#8230;.I&#8217;m a Boomer, too.  I just empathize a great deal with Gen Y. I just don&#8217;t believe we were very good stewards.</p>
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